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Is Jesus God?

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M. Is Jesus God?

C. Yes. In the Gospel according to (John 1:1): "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

M. We have agreed that a Holy Scripture should not contain contradictions. If there are two conflicting verses, then only one can be true, both can never be true or both are wrong.

     Jesus is then God; according to (John l:1). Then how many Gods are there? Two at least. This then is in contradiction with  many passages in the Bible: (Deuteronomy 4:39): "... that the Lord He is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else"; (Deuteronomy 6:4): "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord"; (Isaiah 43:10-11): "... that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside Me there is no savior"; (Isaiah 44:6): "Thus saith the Lord ... I am the first, and I am the last; and beside Me there is no God"; (Isaiah 45:18): "For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else."

     From (Isaiah 45:18) alone we can conclude that God alone was the Creator and that no one else, not even Jesus, participated in the creation.

     See further (Deuteronomy 4:35); (Exodus 8:10); (II Samuel 7:22); (I Kings 8:23); (I Chronicles 17:20); (Psalms 86:8, 89:6 and 113:5); (Hosea 13:4); and (Zechariah 14:9).

C. But these are all in the Old Testament. Do you find it in the New Testament?

M. Sure. Read in (Mark 12:29), what Jesus himself said: "And Jesus answered him: 'The first of all the commandments is: Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord."'

     (I Corinthians 8:4): "... we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one"; (I Timothy 2:5): "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." Look to the expression "the man Christ Jesus." Now you can either say that (John 1:1) is right and all these other verses are wrong, or the reverse.

C. Difficult to judge!

M. Let us see it from the Qur'anic point of view, and this corresponds with what Jesus himself said in the Bible. Jesus is mentioned several times in the Qur'an as a "Word from Allah." In Surah 3:39 (English meaning): “Then the angels called to him [Zechariah] while he was standing in prayer in the chamber (saying): "Allah gives you glad tidings of John [i.e. the Baptist] believing in a Word from Allah [i.e. Jesus, son of Mary], noble, keeping away from sexual relations with women, a prophet, and one of the righteous."

     In the same Surah, 3:45 (English meaning): “[Remember] when the angels said: "O Mary! Verily Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word from Him, his name will be Messiah Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter, and of those who are near to Allah."

     In both verses of the Holy Qur’an, Jesus is called a "Word from Allah”, i.e. is a Word coming from Allah or belonging to Allah, in correspondence with (I Corinthians 3:23): "And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's."  (John 1:1) should also have been written: "... and the Word was God's." The mistake could have been in the translation from Aramaic to Greek, deliberately or not. In the Greek language: “Theosis God, butTheoumeans God's (see Greek dictionary, Greek Bible, or Muhammad in the Bible by Prof. Abdul Ahad Dawud, former Bishop of Uramiah, page 16). A difference of only one letter but big consequences.

C. Why is Jesus called the "Word of God" in both scriptures?

M. The creation of Jesus in the womb of Mary was without the agency of sperm, just only with the decree of Allah: "Be", as mentioned in the Surah 3:47 (English meaning): She [Mary] said; "O, my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?" He said: "So [it will be], for Allah creates what He will. When He has decreed something, He says to it only 'Be' and it is."

C. Jesus is God because he is filled with the Holy Spirit.

M. Why don’t you consider other people divine who are also filled with the Holy Ghost? Are they also divine? (Acts 11:24): "For he [Barnabas] was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith; and much people were added unto the Lord"; (Acts 5:32): "And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him."

     See further (Acts 6:5); (II Peter 1:21); (II Timothy 1:14); (I Corinthians 2:16); (Luke 1:41).

C. But Jesus was filled with the Holy Ghost while he was still in his mother's womb.

M. The same was true with John the Baptist, for (Luke 1: 13, 15): "But the angel said unto him: 'Fear not, Zacharias, for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elizabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. … For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. "'

C. But Jesus could do miracles. He fed five thousand people with only five loaves and two fishes.

M. The same was done by Elisha and Elijah. Elisha fed a hundred people with twenty barley loaves and a few ears of corn (II Kings 4:44): "So he set it before them, and they did eat, and left thereof, according to the word of the Lord." Elisha secured the increase of a widow's oil and he said to her (II Kings 4:7): "Go, sell the oil, and pay thy debt, and live thou and thy children of the rest." See also     (I Kings 17:16): "And the barrel of meal wasted not neither did the cruse of oil fail, according to the word of the Lord, which he spake by Elijah." Also (I Kings 17:6): "And the ravens brought him [Elijah] bread and flesh in the morning, bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook."

C. But Jesus could heal leprosy.

M. Also Elisha told Naaman who was a leper to wash in the Jordan river (II Kings 5:14): "Then went he [Naaman] down, and dipped himself seven times in Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God [Elisha]: and his flesh came again like unto a flesh of a little child, and he was clean."

C. But Jesus could cause a blind man to see again.

M. Also Elisha did (Kings 6:17): "And Elisha prayed, and said: 'Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see.' And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man: and he saw ..."; (II Kings 6:20): "And it came to pass, when they were come into Samaria, that Elisha said: 'Lord, open the eyes of these men, that they may see.' And the Lord opened their eyes, and they saw; and behold, they were in the midst of Samaria."

     Elisha was also told to cause blindness (II Kings 6:18): "And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the Lord, and said: 'Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness.' And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha."

C. Jesus could raise the dead.

M. Compare with Elijah (I Kings 17:22): "And the Lord heard the voice of Elijah: and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived." Compare also with Elisha (II Kings 4:34): "And he [Elisha] went up, and lay upon the child, and put his mouth upon his mouth, and his eyes upon his eyes, and his hands upon his hands; and he stretched himself upon the child; and the flesh of the child waxed warm."

     Even the dead bones of Elisha could restore a dead body to life by touching only (II Kings 13:21): "And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet."

C. But Jesus walked upon the water.

M. Moses stretched out his arms over the sea (Exodus 14:22): "And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left."

C. But Jesus could cast out devils.

M. Jesus himself admitted that other people could do it (Matthew 12:27 and Luke 11:19): "And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? Therefore shall they be your judges. "

     Also the disciples could cast out devils as Jesus said (Matthew 7:22): "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name, and in thy name have cast out devils, and in thy name done many wonderful works?"

     Even false prophets would do wonders, as prophesied by Jesus himself (Matthew 24:24): "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

C. But Elijah and Elisha did wonders through praying to the Lord.

M. Jesus also did the miracles with the grace of God, as he himself said (John 5:30): "I can of mine own self do nothing ..." and (Luke 11:20): "But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the Kingdom of God is come upon you."

     All miracles performed by Jesus had been done by previous prophets, disciples, and even unbelievers. On the other hand, Jesus could do no mighty work where there was unbelief (Mark 6:5-6): "And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. And he marveled because of their unbelief. And he went around about the villages, teaching."

C. But Jesus was resurrected three days after he died.

M. We will talk later about his crucifixion, because there are so many controversies about it. I'll only say now briefly that it was a gospel of Paul, who never saw Jesus alive (II Timothy 2:8): "Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel."

     The gospel of resurrection in (Mark 16:9-20) has also been removed in many Bibles. If not removed it is printed in small print or between two brackets and with commentary. See Revised Standard version, New American Standard Bible, and New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Let me ask you one thing: Did Jesus ever claim to be God or to say: "Here am I, your God, and worship me?"

C. No, but he is God and man.

M. But did he ever claim that?

C. No.

M. Indeed, he prophesied that people will worship him uselessly and will believe in doctrines made not by God but by men (Matthew 15:9): "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

     All doctrines of modern Christianity are made by men: the Trinity, Divine Sonship of Jesus, Divinity of Jesus Christ, Original Sin and Atonement. From Jesus' own sayings, recorded in the New Testament, it is clear that he never claimed divinity or identity to God: "I do nothing of myself" (John 8:28); "My Father is greater than I" (John 14:28); "The Lord our God is one Lord" (Mark 12: 29); "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Mark 15:34); "Father, into Thy hands I commend my spirit" (Luke 23:46); and "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father" (Mark 13:32). Jesus was called a prophet, teacher from God, His servant, Messiah, and later was escalated to Son of God, and then God Himself.

     Let us now use our reason: how can God be born by a mortal one as any other mortal?

     Jesus slept while God never sleeps (Psalm 121:4): "Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep." God should be powerful but how could people spit on him, crucify him as alleged? How could Jesus be God if he worshipped God as any other mortal (Luke 5:16): "And he withdrew himself into the wilderness, and prayed."

     Jesus was tempted by Satan for forty days (Luke 4:1-13) but in (James 1:13) it is said: "... for God cannot be tempted with evil ..." How can Jesus be God, then? We can rationalize further and further.

C. Yes, I myself can't understand it, but we have to accept it blindly.

M. Is it not contradicting the Bible itself which says that you have to prove it (I Thessalonians 5:21): "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

C. It's really confusing.

M. But (I Corinthians 14:33) says: "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."

     Doctrines made by men create confusion.